is this about the svn?

they are relative to ironsnout and ogro way bigger o.O

ogro

inky is way too big. i think no one will play with him because he is so much easier to hit.

he is wider and shorter.. maybe.. i dont see it as something that'd keep me from playing as him.

Nobody said anything about the upping the recoil, but instead, upping the Anim speed to better suit the recoil.

i actualy prefer the animations of the assasin edition :P (those .md3 animations). they rock :D!

I must totally agree with nixot. when i first saw CC i thought its a joke, but it wasnt.
sauerbraten was well known as game without really a theme, but fitting more into a futuristic then medieval theme, yet there are both kind of maps. thats why sauerbraten got variety of maps so its fun to play.
even if there are some maps which i dont know if they were accepted, because of the name the maker had, or the content of the map.

but lately i really doubt that sauerbraten will develop in any way further.
I noticed that Sauerbraten wasnt that growing anymore since trooper.
I totally agree with the motto "best keeps place" but reducing such modes as assasine or last man standing, with the excuse that no one is playing them, was shocking for me.
in my opinion the developers are only making modes for the majority anymore.

for what reason? are they wasting so much space? i guess not, a cpp got barely a few kilo bytes (capture got 34kb in trooper)
also they took away particle 8, reason?
and when i now download maps using particle 8 they dont appear anymore..

of course they did some progress on variables.. like that they are saved within maps and that they sync up during editing.. clouds.. fogdome.. and other special effects, (ragdoll etc)
setting fog water sky variables from int to RGB

Texture blending was a great deal too.

But since CC sauerbraten loses quality in my honest opinion
Not saying hes ugly. but a comic-styled hero does not fit into Sauerbraten.

just a comparison:

he just does not fit!
he looks like plastic.
its all unproportional
his hands are twice the size of the head!.

But well, its not about that theres another playermodel in here
i think devs should have invested time in other things such as menu comfortability eg texture browser - where blood frontier made huge success.

Its really a pity that Sauerbraten is "only" to show the cube 2 engine with such a big community and developing group.

A mix out of Bloodfrontiers features and menus and sauerbratens engine would be perfect in my opinion.

thanks for reading,
im not about to work against sauer or say that sauerbraten is bad/crap, but i think sauerbraten should use finally its potential power.

well said misan, well said..

funny to think though that most of the stuff hundreds of people here on sauer waited to come when accomplished in a year and were given to Blood Frontier. now we get everyone to say that sauer looks like crap. Sauer started it all, without it no mods would have been made, yet everyone's focus is to make something different, and we end up with 100 different mods of sauer and no one developing sauer. And since so many things are made, why not throw the mods together and make another game? lets disappoint some more sauer fans.

Excuse my sarcasm but what happens is rediculous. Sauer and Blood Frontier could have been so different in terms of gameplay, yet so similar to mechanics if they shared. Similar but unique. Yet again everything we had was thrown into one side only.. :(

the nicest of ur story is: i loved to play those modes that has been deleted D:!

p.s. misan, strange that i am possible to get particle 8 working, by takin an old map from a older release :S...

the particles are saved in the mapfile. yet not configurable.

so if u would just delete all edited things in the map (like if u would do /newmap) then ur able 2 use the particles :).

A kind of futile method, to say the least...

never mind that idea, i found the particles in trooper to
its particles 9, and if u wanna get a straight flame use this:
particles 9 259 0 0 0.
it seems that the entinity starts counting from positionslot 256. every number lower, will just be a ball.

funny only a few people seem to know that? ^^
that's right, particle 8 was moved into another particle, it wasn't removed. old maps need to have that particle reconfigured to the new one

I figured such out by accident yesterday. Occasionally random scrolling will bring benefits.

the particle wasn't removed, but it is no longer registered with e.attr1 == 8, so it is no longer available.

on the other hand, we had PROPER fire particles added, 0 is now a flame + smoke, 11 is the flame, and 12 is the smoke

~Hirato Kirata

the particle system is unnecesary complicated imho.
I understand it but its still weird :P

they dont want to make it simplier because there are already so many maps using it.. but still they change the type of particles.. taking out particle nine.. changing particles.. etc

1. type 0-7 9-10 33-37
2. direction/spread 0-9 (simple directions) 255-270 - some spreads if you add 32 to your particle it get reversed.
3. size (eaerlier negative size reversed the particle.. not anymore.)
4. color 0xHEX 0xFFF = white 0x000 = black 0xF00 = red 0x0F0 = green 0x00F = blue

The particles are fairly simple to figure out when you look at the source. :D

Well, the particles are well spread out on their slots
there are 6 simple directions that are used, yet we get them again if you scroll the particle over the first 6. The whole form type of the particle seems to require some compacting. Apart from the default way to get particles reversed, most people would not even figure out what to do to make such particles.

And here comes an old suggestion again that involved mapmodel rotations that would apply to all 3 dimensions. We could also use it on the particles to achieve even greater use! (ceiling fires ftw! :P)

If I were to script a particles system for Sauerbraten I would probably use a more advanced version of the Newcube particle system, where each type of particle is a different entity. This way, there would be no problem when it comes to such issues as particle 8. There would be entities such as fire, smoke, laser and ball and each would have different properties specific to that particle, allowing for a lot more freedom than just one "particles" entity.

By the way, what was particle 8 anyway?

And particle 22, which fanatic_caves uses?

particle 8 was the shining version of particle 9

i already got a kind of "glow particle" worked.. i made an orange tex. and took it as same glowtex..

then setshader glowworld
texture 0 orange
texture g orange

it worked but it fades with the distance.. and just an orange cube is in the air without glow o.o

that would be like supreme.. glow particle

/newent glow
that would change like entire sauer!

true. separating the particles into unique entities would help finding the one we need easier.
also it would free the first value which is used to identify what kind of particle is. one more slot for adding something new.

why i cant find the upsidedown-burning position, of particles 9 then? :S

ps. misan, really what do u mean xP?

/newent particles 9 259 5 0xF00

:S nope youll get a spread particles then (i just tested out).
it seems the 3th slot goes about the distance of the particles.

if its because of my bad english u gave that answer, i ment a flame that burns pointing to the ground, not pointing in the air.

you dont set the height of the particle.. you set the size of the radius/spread

/newent particles 9 0 1 0xF00
if it would just glow.. and be a bit more steady

.. well your off topic.

i just did what you writed again, didnt worked... plz read my reply before yours again...

Of course "no ones" playing last man standing and assasine.. you can play it only with a few people.
but i really loved to play these modes.

but of course "no" one is playing them, you would need to wait far too long if there are more then 6~ players.
but still its fun to play in a small group!

I just repeat myself nixot: no wonder that every month there is a new mod.

Last Man Standing is the best mode ever made...

i got demos that i dueled a lot of times on tactics last man standing :P.
furhter, ive played yesterday assasin again (and tactics last man standing) just on ctf edition, there were at least 6 people there on a moment.

so, i totally agree windecker...

I love to play insta arena on Cube with bots. The main thing there is you get three lives :D

Also, tactics-clan-arena is awesome fun because you get all your ammo back if you kill someone!

How can anyone remove such a supreme mode?!