Now that the map finally downloaded...
This map is beautiful! The use of models is excellent, and there is a great feel to the map.
I love the large TV and the Cannon Copter. One thing about the TV tho, I think the image planes should be farther apart and should more or less snap into location, as when I'm far enough away the engine seems to have trouble deciding which to render and it gets a bit flickery when the planes slowly get closer together.

The layout seems to be pretty sound to me, but I think there should be a new jumppad model, all the other models are new, why not one for the jumppad too?

Also, great job with the envmapped textures, they add a really good effect.

5/5 from me.

Great visual and fun GamePlay. The only problem is the TP and Jumpad I think. 5/5

Great visual aspect. Very different from what we can see in sauer. Great work on textures.
Good gameplay for a 1v1 insta map. (remind me a bit the complex structure). A bit small for ffa.
I just find the teleport and jumpad mapmodel not approriate in this universe, but it's really a personnal opinion. A bit to much use of map models too.

8/10.

ps: Be carefull, you done a little mistake on the cfg. floor1_normal and floor2_normal are in .jpg in the cfg and not in .png.

Oh my, it seems that christmasday came a lot earlier this year. A couple of good maps have been released in the last few days, and this is certainly one of them. Visuals, lighting and texturing are top notch.

Wow, great map! I love the comic-, but still realistic touch this map's got :) I agree on the telport and jumppad, they really dont fit, you^ve put so much work into the rest of the map, why not customize them too? Oh yeah and one little thing, the screens with the snowstorm on them? why dont you make that texture a seamless and put a texturescroll on it? Im sure that would give it a really nice effect ;)

Other than that, awesome texturing, awesome personal map models, awesome layout for 1on1 gameplay!

5* from me

Great style, great mapmodels, strange way of lighting (it works though). And its filesize is huge - 7.37MB ?!?

You can look through the geometry when you jump beneath the sloped roof by the rounded windows...sure there is no other way to handle the clip/noclip ?

I like the originality of this map, there never was a map like this in sauer. And it seems to be perfectly playable too ! Especially love how everything fits together, and the nice mapmodels (though imo only the handrails are really useable for other maps as well, but still).

5 Stars, i'd say. Maybe you find an easier way to light it up ?

I dont know what i should vote the map..

on one side its a nice fighting map..but the lighting is not that good and often without source!
ambient lights = evil,
and the only white light makes the map looking undone..
create a variety of lights, with more then 1 color. i think blue and a few orange spots would be nice in the map.

And not that its bad but you put a bit too much effort into mapmodels which can be done with cubes o.O (eg. the box hanging on the wall.. "clothes hanger box" and so on)

4/5

Very cool map!

It is so fun!

Gameplay notations are based on insta modes.

Gameplay (1vs1) : 3/5 (+)good size, (+)different levels, (+)barriers, (-)jumppads a little bit useless, (-)TP behind the wall should be a TP destination to prevent campers
Gameplay (ALLvsALL) : 3/5 (-)Too small
Gameplay (global) : 21/35 + 9/15 = 30/50

Mapping (technical) : 4/5 (+)some good concepts, (+)a full background, (-)too many lights but the sames, (?)no details on textures but it gives the atmosphere of the map
Mapping (general aspect) : 4/5 (+)funny, (+)it gives a real atmosphere of cartoon
Mapping (global) : 12/15 + 20/25 = 32/40

Configs : 3/5 (-)decreases of FPS, (-)bad optimization
Configs (global) : 6/10

Global (total) : 68/100

It's really hard to mark the 1vs1 gameplay because it depends of what you search in a duel. I gave a notation based on my own opinion of what should be a duel map. But i can understand a 4/5 which increases the rate to 75/100.

The map is great could be a bit bigger but great style.

Men, that's.. Awesome! One note I should write: please, try to avoid using flat mapmodels on the floor/walls to avoid blinking (I don't know, if it blinks for you, but it does my crappy video card).
Nevertheless, it deserves best score.

Re:Blinking Mapmodels

I expierience no blinking i think its your video card

very interesting map, and very original :D!
i really like the "office"ly/shoppingcenter theme look.
the texturing is gr8, same for the detailing. the geometry is also nice. the lighting is good to, but very unusuall set up (even tough, as long as it works.... :P).
the gameplay, seems to be pretty open (i think u could compare it to complex, if u would play insta on it) but i dont c any pickups D:! i agree chen and erzealh, that the jumppad and teleports arent really fitting at the theme, but the teleports give the map a more tactical value and makes it harder to camp, wich is as my opinion very good :).
the flow is nice to.
i cant give it less then 9.5 points, its obvious made by a professional mapper and a professional mapmodeler (at least it looks 4 me :P).
gj and i hope it gets into the new release (even tough it probably will ;).

i wish u make more (bigger) maps with the same style :D

I don't understand what is the problem. Folder's size shouldn't be a problem, if it was we should delete a lot of things on Sauerbraten...

To be honest, I don't really like the overall Captain Cannon idea, since I don't think it fits in Sauer. But apart from that, this map is really good.
It has a completely own style to it, I love the look of the walls and doors. There are also a lot of smart ideas like the funny poster, the helicopter outside and nice geometry forms. I can't judge the gameplay on this map since I didn't test it, but I think it has a great artistical value, and I love the mapmodels - I wish I knew how to make them :)

The only thing I saw that could be improved is the shadows, the edges look really crappy, maybe a better lightprecision or lighterror could fix it?
Edit: Also, I think that there should be something visible that blocks the player from going outside, it kinda destroys the atmosphere when there is an open outdoor scene that you think you can go to but it's actually clipped.

9/10

I like it. The map shows off what you can do with Sauerbraten =D

maybe an "i see fragged people" poster :D
i think u should be able to go outside but then u have to change the whole outside area...
and the one room should be enterable to make the map a little bigger.

Simply awesome, but i don't like the jumppad

RaZgRiZ ~ One Shot, One Fail

I dont know if anyone has mentioned this, but the use of those tiny light to approximate indirect illumination, which I assume they are for, is genius.

this map is great fun and very unique.

kudos. (:

I tried to do flat cubes or very flat but not flat cubes with textures, this draws unknown textures... i created a lot of models, no one is working (only model, textures don't works)

PS : pitch, roll and scale choosing for mapmodels would be a great feautre for next version. (or simply support of transparent textures)

raz, maybe.. if we would bumpmap skytextures, u could get that effect like glass gives (reflection), but still r able 2 use as geometry.
im not the person thats able 2 bumpmap skytextures, tough. but i wouldnt mind to try, if i know how :S...

Updated: 2009-12-20

The listed file size isn't correct, it is actually 9.3MB.

hmm very strange, on this map i get the default 60fps, while i get on all other maps 59fps average.

further, damn still lovin this map :D! those costum jumppads and tellies are a very nice improvement.

just a question :

I tried to make a fast model (a cylinder for testing), in obj format. I created a skin of 1024x1024, and a cfg.

When i load the mapmodel, there is a unknown texture on mapmodel, but no "could not find ......" msg in full console.

I can tell that Team Fortress 2 was a inspiration with the textures.

nice map,

good textures and glow,

the layout is amazing and i like how realistic it looks

9/10

I figured you guys were too bussy to add waypoints, so i did for ya

Download em here: Mediafire (justice.wpt)

About that label thing, I'm pretty sure this map is not in the latest release. Saying that while it's only in svn will confuse people.

"This content is now included in the subdevelopment repository of the game, you do not need to download it if you already have the latest project updates." would be a good label for svn-included specific stuff :D