poem does it again ^.^

The trebuchets/catapults alone accounted for 10k triangles each. I like the layout, but the detail is to much for suck a large map. 3/5 (note: Tapestries account for around 1k each.. *nudge*)

very nice. but its tiring to see whole maps being based on that brown rock texture all the time.. it just gets boring after a period of time.. why not add another rock texture? all we see in most maps is desert..

yes, well done poum! one more good looking ctf map :)

but i have some things to criticize:

1. As Razgriz already mentioned, maybe try to use an other rock texture. And anyway, the surroundings looks a bit too monotonous.

2. The two straight paths on the left and right side are too long and and doesnt provide opportunities to hide.

3. maybe its just a matter of taste, but in my opinion the lightning is too soft, too smooth...

but anyway, nice map with nice deatils (especially the Castle and Catapult)

so far, 4/5

You've actually gone and made the detailing more intense since the last version of this, Obidos. Since the map is quite a bit larger that complicates things. I'm not sure how to count the triangles, but definitely a ton are used on arguably useless details that few will notice. They'll likely notice more the lost performance from such an intense map :P

This map seems a bit too big now. It's just that at certain parts it feels like it takes forever to get somewhere. Those large paths are the prime example. It takes forever to climb the hills, with nothing in the way of cover except those tiny blocks. Then you have that tower in the corner that serves no purpose, prove me wrong. It's a camping spot but looks more important than it actually is.

The rocky cliffs add much more to this, and I'm happy you got rid of the fog lol. But then, the entire atmosphere is different from Obidos. Ultimately I consider this an update of that map considering the fundamental details of it were copied/updated. This version is much more true to your other recent works, which all seem to occur in the desert sun.

Basically, you need more things to provide cover and interesting details. It's a little monotonous. The Great Wall of China comes to mind - practically endless, with little variation in it.

Plus more colors would add something. It's a bit too brown right now. I'm thinking green grass on the ground, blended in certain areas with the brown (similar to shipwreck or fc4).

Anyways, nice map. I like this more. It seems a bit too big and open, like Hallo... or Flagstone perhaps.

4/5

I love it, it's amazing, thats about all I have to say.
Yes, the side path is a bit long and un-protective, but that's the only thing that gets me.
The catapults and banners are beautiful, and I absolutely love the towers atop the hill.

The map is very pleasant to look at, and I reckon it would do fairly well with game-play. 10/5 from me! :]

Last day, i played with my clan and the JG clan a 6v6 and 5v5. It's a bit boring to play on the normal map that are on sauerbraten, those map are very fun to play with a 3v3 or 4v4 max but not 6v6. I think that my new map can be very intersting to play with two team of 6 players. The teamplay can be improve. But you are right when you said that the map is a bit to large and open to play with two team of 2-3-4 players.

About the rock : i don't really know how to improve that... Use 2 rock textures, why not but i don't know how use that because last day i tried and it was not really beautiful ;) . If someone can learn to me or help me to do that it will be fine xD

hm,poum just try to use for the ground and the rocks two different textures, maybe this will help a bit...

take a look;)

yeah, looks better now! If u find a way to provide more cover, especially on the long paths right and left of the map, u will get 5/5 from my side! :)

i'll think about that. but if you wanna help me it will be great =D

I really enjoyed the map overall, but there are two problems I have with it.

* The surrounding landscape is really bare and dull. The geometric detail is mostly there, but the terrain is just one texture. This is a problem I have seen in many maps with extensive visible landscape such as this, but I feel that adding some tiny plant/rock or texture details could really benefit this map.

* I am also not a big fan of those huge straight stretches of pathway with the rifles placed everywhere on them.

Looking beneath the map I noticed a lot of geometric 'bugs', spaces that not visible but still have geometry. Fixing some of these could reduce the triangle could somewhat, realistically not by that much, just be careful because redoing some areas will cause subdivision and mess up visible sections of the map.

ty windecker.
about the skytexture, i didn't know that, but i think that don't help very much, i will do that for the next update if it need

I give 5 stats because good geometry and lightning, but

clip and noclip not sufficient
no bot waypoints.

i don't think that the map is really great..
1) there a some places too open
2) theres a pathway that starts in nothing and ends in nothing
its a practicle a weird dead end that also starts a dead end
u shud of put a teleport or something.
3) in the base the floor there 4 weird things that dont mean nothing it
not even a decoration its ugly and make the base look wierd
(the map not only shud be playable it shud have a good appearance)

conclusion:
the maps is playable but there some problems that are obiously visible

My Vote:

3/5

i agree with pepsi
also.there is a spawn spot looking at the other way if someone is camping there you cant defend ur self.
all the things pepsi said i was going to say....
and the vote too...

3/5

a reply to "I done this map with my obidos's Castle and Catapult". i disagree with that, because me and others helped u with that castle at least...

further, it seems u litterly just copied and paste the castle and catapult out of the other map. those trimmings r exactly the same on the castle.

anyways, i wont tell why i give u 64 points for this (-6 because of that copy paste and the part u said to present this map in this content) atm, but gj :P!

Suicizer... yes i done Obidos with gladyand help of erzealh and a mini help of u... our help was the mini decorating thing on the castle...
If you want i writte that what you made on the castle?
"Suicizer help me to decorate the second floor of the castle..."
... no really... when i made a map every time my clan help me with the gameplay.. yes they help me but i won't writte everyone that have one time help me to done the map...

About the copy paste of the castle... if you prefere it's like if it's the V2 of Obidos you know?... i only remade obidos i change a lot of think..
why? ==> because my map isn't take for the release (obidos) so i tried to remade the map ==> obidarid

Do you understand?

On hallo, that is one of the sauer's "heaviest" (fps consuming), in the worst spot I get usually 250 fps; here I get 100 fps in some spots (in the central area for the most). Afaik eirhul and qp admins always paid special attention to performances. Maybe that's one of the reason because "your map isn't taken for the release"? Don't know, but imo you should try to optimize performances.
Wishes.

i think that it is faulse... you can't have 250fps on hallo and 100fps on obidarid.. lol... maybe if you use a computer on hallo and a gameboy on Obidarid ;) *nono JOke =D*

But i agree that there are some fps reducing in the map but with a normal or bad computer that we can have now it is really playable ;) i have a low cost pc of 2 years old and i don't have any problem in this map :s

And i really don't know how optimize my map =s

then just leave it like its now and go further ;)...

Hi Poum since u released obidarid under common creative license i would like to ask u some questions. Pls contact me on nothing@nooblounge.net

He is died from the game, no longer playing. (frenchie yeah :P)
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